tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post708723089842506290..comments2023-06-04T18:43:51.442+05:30Comments on महाभारत - काही नवीन विचार: Some further commentsप्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-81012369084416793862015-09-06T01:08:59.509+05:302015-09-06T01:08:59.509+05:30With reference to my last comment I have in fact, ...With reference to my last comment I have in fact, uploaded today a photo of Krishna Ashtami moon little before noon time. It clearly shows pointed ends, pointing downwards!प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-1598185708110793422015-08-29T00:32:54.615+05:302015-08-29T00:32:54.615+05:30Regarding the photo, I took it with a regular Cano...Regarding the photo, I took it with a regular Canon Powershot A540. I went out of our front door many times to check whether moon could be seen. I wanted a photo as low down as possible and note the timing. Finally I could get the photo only at 6-30 PM but at some elevation. Besides the pointed ends and shape of the moon, I was mainly keen to check the timing when it could be seen rising. It is seen that it would be at about 3 PM. Drona remarked to his son about many bad omens etc and showed his fear about Bheesma's safety, ending with this moon observation. What was the timing? It should be 3 PM or later. I feel it does not leave enough time for the various events thereafter till Bheeshma fell down, before sunset. The dialogue should be at or before noon. <br />Regarding pointed ends downwards, I accept the democratic verdict. It is after all a subjective observation. In my view the Navami moon has no pointed ends, upwards or downwards. <br />Was the day a Krishnapaksha Shashthi or Saptami? Moon in that case would have somewhat pointed ends and would be seen setting on western horizon at or before noon. प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-44723574265605374332015-08-28T22:07:47.874+05:302015-08-28T22:07:47.874+05:30The photo (Shudda Navami) is very nice. I tried t...The photo (Shudda Navami) is very nice. I tried taking for Dashami (but could not due to cloudy skies) and then did take few on Dwadashi and Trayodashi (yesterday).<br /><br />Photo taken by Shri Phadnis is of much superior quality. I took them with my smarthone and the moon looks like a full moon (which it should.. for all these days.. getting closer to true full moon in next two days).<br />--<br />Back to photo posted by Shri Phadnis.<br /><br />While it is true that to a novice, it is easy to illustrate/explain what it means when one says that 'Pointed ends of the moon are pointed downwards' during crescent phases of the moon (pratipada, dwitiya, tritiya, chaturthi of Shukla paksha), even a novice would (should) agree where the pointed ends are facing.<br /><br />I gave a definition of pointed ends (definitions for both - them pointing down but also pointing up - Shukla and Krishna paksha, respectively) and then picked 4 neighbors in Atlanta and asked them how the moon looked (Dwadashi day moon - two days ago). All 4 had no clue of Mahabharata or any insights into moon phases (other than generic knowledge of moon/moon phases/ etc... all of them non-Indians, and all of them reached the conclusion (independent of each other..they know each other but this was done with single person at a given instance) and they all reached the conclusion that the moon (of Dwadashi) had its pointed ends facing downward.<br />--<br />I know I may be accused of me 'lightly nudging their response'. While I have no way to prove my innocence, I did not do any such thing. :) <br />--<br />Interestingly, I had done such social double blind experiment related to my research on 'Kumbhakarna', by employing ~15+ members of Indian community of Atlanta.<br />-<br /><br />The outcome of that research will be out soon. so far 45 pages written....working title for that research is "Kumbhakarna & KLS'Nilesh Oakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12639611981481978768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-11354544828875820632015-08-28T00:56:09.804+05:302015-08-28T00:56:09.804+05:30Shri. Oak has commented on his blog about Yudhisht...Shri. Oak has commented on his blog about Yudhishthira returning to battlefield free of injuries like Moon freed from Rahu. I have already said that it is a GOOD upama! Vyasa is no mean poet! Only point is that it has nothing to do with a lunar eclipse which may or may not have occurred many days back. If no lunar eclipse had occurred for even one full year prior to this day, Vyasa would still use this Upama if he wanted. The use of the Upama does not 'corroborate' anything.प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-30582845591974429482015-08-26T07:33:22.032+05:302015-08-26T07:33:22.032+05:30I have added a Shukla Navami Photo to illustrate m...I have added a Shukla Navami Photo to illustrate my point about moon with pointed ends.प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-1805452383001693252015-08-26T03:05:53.823+05:302015-08-26T03:05:53.823+05:30Pl. see my e-mail about new friends. ThanksPl. see my e-mail about new friends. Thanksप्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-90364445039026135592015-08-25T19:33:47.739+05:302015-08-25T19:33:47.739+05:30You are doing (and have done) yeoman's service...You are doing (and have done) yeoman's service to those curious of Mahabharata, and also to my theory.<br /><br />Very few are capable of understanding the argument, still fewer who comprehend the intricacies and still fewer who can challenge it and/or present alternate views.<br /><br />All the progress of science has come due to severe, lethal and rational criticism of existing/successful theories.<br /><br />--<br />I noticed you have commented on eclipses and also planetary positions in your previous blog articles that I have not read in detail, but I will get to them as time permits.<br />--<br />If you are in San Ramon, You may want to get in touch with Shri Kaushal (Kosla) Vepa. Let me know if you are interested and I will introduce you tow via FB.<br /><br />I did send introductory email to my friend Sunil Ganu, who is also in Bay area.<br /><br />NileshNilesh Oakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12639611981481978768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-56531263329524690502015-08-25T08:26:55.681+05:302015-08-25T08:26:55.681+05:30There were errors in reference numbers 57 and 58. ...There were errors in reference numbers 57 and 58. I have corrected them to 58 and 59. Error regretted. प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-54929281922094189752015-08-23T23:36:06.983+05:302015-08-23T23:36:06.983+05:30I have added my comments on two more references to...I have added my comments on two more references to complete my comments phase.प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-3240970026049699232015-08-21T01:12:48.680+05:302015-08-21T01:12:48.680+05:30Shri. Oak has also commented on Ref. 50. I agree t...Shri. Oak has also commented on Ref. 50. I agree that I had made a 'back of envelope' calculation of moon position, not having any software. I had counted 12 days, i. e. one more day so landed in Mruga. I should have landed in Rohini and then probably would not question Krittika. Since Shri. Oak has given data to show moon in Krittika no doubt remains. It was of course no Full Moon. My main point is that for Using an Upama, Vyasa doen not need to have moon in the sky. If some other year or date is under consideration, and on 12th day of war, there is only a crescent in the sky, it cant be considered as falsification. The reference has no 'proving' or 'disproving' value, like all other Upamas. प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7745709347552224158.post-68047679761806861432015-08-21T00:56:15.694+05:302015-08-21T00:56:15.694+05:30Shri. Oak, on his blog, has commented that the sta...Shri. Oak, on his blog, has commented that the statement is what Sanjaya said to Dhritarashtra! NOT true. It is clearly what DRONA said to his son, reported later by Sanjaya. A Navami moon wont have pointed ends. only upto,say, shashthi in shukla paksha and from Dvadashi of Krishna Paksha the moon can be said to have pointed ends. I could not find a picture of a Cresent moon, either near western or eastern horizon, with its pointed ends pointing downwards. प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871811819546376901noreply@blogger.com