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Saturday, September 24, 2016

Saturn Positions Contd.

Saturn and Jupiter troubling Rohini is a problem as they are nowhere near Rohini. It some old posts about fall of Abhijit I had referred to the remark by Shri. Oak that some researchers consider Jyeshtha also as alternate Rohini. Does that surmise apply here too? Are Saturn and Jupiter supposed to be troubling Jyeshtha, alternate Rohini? According to another reference they should have been near Vishakha at the time of war, having gone retrograde earlier and having stayed put for an year (संवत्सरस्थायिनौ, विशाखयाः समीपस्थौ). Shri. Oak does find retrograde motion but does not find them close to Vishakha, but even from where they are, viz. Jupiter at Shravan and Saturn at Hasta, they were sufficiently close to Jyeshtha to cause trouble to Jyeshtha, alternate Rohini. If, in any other year proposed by any other researcher, if Saturn and Jupiter do end up closer than this to Vishakha, they would definitely be causing trouble to Jyeshtha! I invite Shri. Oak to give his view.


Nilesh Oak said...

My view is that while Indian astronomy has occasionally used the word "Rohini' in the context of Jyestha (both Aldebaran and Antares are red giants (astronomy term) and thus look red and hence Rohini.

Having said that Mahabharata text employs clear references to Jyeshtha as Jyeshtha (or nakshatra of Shakra or nakshatra of Indra) and to Rohini as Rohini or nakshatra of Prajapati, etc.

Thus I do not see a reason to take Jyeshtha = Rohini.

Afflicting of Rohini (Aldebaran) by Sun/moon together on the first day of war (at sunset), by saturn (early morning sky) for a long time before and during the war, and by Jupiter (on the 17th day of the war is and can be explained well via 'Yuddha' or 'Bheda' phenomenon of Indian astronomy.

Again, I am not against alternate interpretations. But they need to be holistic. What I mean by that is any change in interpretation should take into account all the observations and not a partial set.

प्रभाकर फडणीस P.K. Phadnis said...

Yes but are there any other observations about Rohini which are satisfied only if Rohini is Rohini and not Jyeshtha? The present three observations about Sun/Moon, Jupiter and Saturn all afflicting Rohini are satisfied if Jyeshtha is the Rohini here. All said and done, Jupiter at Shravan and Saturn at Hasta are not very satisfactorily afflicting Jyeshtha either! What I was pointing out was that 'If' they were much closer to Vishakha at start of war they could justifiably be considered afflicting Jyeshtha Rohini.

Nilesh Oak said...

I posted Voyager photos for Saturn, Jupiter (17th day, after sunset) and Sun/moon on first day, at the time of sunset.. afflicting Rohini (on my FB and copied you).